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Sunday, November 14, 2010
UK fans will know the outcome of the Enes Kanter appeal by the first week of December and are hoping his winning personality will persuade the reinstatement committee that his eligibilty should be restored
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Marc
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Tipton Heads Up:
Almost 99% of players reinstated, but is Kanter an exception? November 13th, 2010 | Uncategorized |
While pondering the appeal the University of Kentucky will make on behalf of freshman Enes Kanter, I stumbled upon an encouragement statistic that seems too good to be true.
The NCAA website includes a feature called “Behind the Blue Disk on student-athlete reinstatement. A look behind the blue disk included the factoid that the NCAA receives more than 1,000 reinstatement requests each year. Of those, nearly 99 percent of the requests result in the athlete being reinstated.
That would suggest that UK should expect Kanter’s eligibility to be restored. On Thursday, the NCAA announced that he would be permanently ineligible.
The problem for UK is that the Kanter case is complex, involving a foreign professionial team, two languages and who knows what other issues? Most of the 99 percent of reinstatements are for much smaller violations such as accepting a ride from a booster or having to pay back a $300 loan or a relatively small extra benefit (for example, a booster paying for dinner).
According to the NCAA announcement on Thursday, Kanter’s case involving $33,033 of compensation from the Turkish pro team that go beyond the permitted “actual and necessary” expenses a player can receive and retain amateur status.
Of course, it seems UK fans will know the outcome of the Kanter appeal by the first week of December. UK is hoping Kanter’s friendly and winning personality will persuade the reinstatement committee that his eligibilty should be restored."
Good to have you back, G! Any residual impairment of hand function? Or just some nice scars?
eeky is still MIA. Hope it's because he's happily married.
Marc, I don't know where I got the idea that the $20,000 educational expense would have been permissible if Fenerbahçe Ülker had disbursed the funds directly to the educational provider. I'm pretty sure that's what DeCourcy wrote in Sporting News. And that's how it's been widely reported.
But if you read the bylaw carefully (Rule 12.1.2.1.3.1), it sure sounds like no professional sports team or organization may pay an education expense under any circumstance. And if that's the case, any optimism I had for an appeal has diminished appreciably.
ER Trip on Trick-or-Treat night results in 8 stitches and a $1700.00 Bill. There for 30 minutes to get patched up ... I'm in the wrong business. No nerve damage but still sore. There will be a scar on my lower right palm, no big deal.
Yes, I have wondered about eeky. I haven't seen him post for ever so long.
On the appeal and the bylaw, fortunately the position of "I didn't know the rule" has been a successful defense in the past. However it is the NCAA ... you just never know.
WG, I think Matt Jones may have written it that way on KSR at some point. I too thought it permissible. What is the difference in that and the "Prep" basketball schools that pay tuition, room and board?
The way I see it the "spirit" of the rule is to allow young men and women an opportunity to attend an institution of higher learning if there was no intent to be a "professional". I feel it pretty apparent that there is enough evidence to make that case in appeals.
I also get the impression that this may have been the plan all along.
Anon, From what I have heard, the Kanter family already tried to pay the extra money back to the club. However, since the Turkish team has, despite their comments, a lot to gain from Kanter being ruled ineligible, they refused to accept the money offered from the Kanters. Therefore, I believe somewhere near 20k of that $33 is literally sitting in a bank account unused.
Check on this one guys, when money is determined to be owed back .. and for whatever reason it cannot be directly returned to its original source ... the NCAA agrees to have the funds channeled to an charity in good standing. If I remember correctly, that's what happened to John Wall's money last year.
Prep schools are not excluded by Rule 12.1.2.1.3.1. The parties excluded from providing this benefit are those that can peddle influence, such as agents, professional teams, recruiting universities and boosters. Thus:
"A prospective student-athlete may receive educational expenses or services (e.g., tuition, fees, room and board, books, tutoring, standardized test preparatory classes) prior to collegiate enrollment from any individual or entity other than an agent, professional sports team/organization, member institution or a representative of an institution’s athletics interests, provided the payment for such expenses or services is disbursed directly to the individual, organization or educational institution (e.g., high school, preparatory school) providing the educational expense or service."
You can tell this was drafted by a lawyer. Lawyers believe one long run-on sentence is better than several short and clear sentences. "Other than" means the Turkish club team, which is a professional team/organization, may not provide educational expenses or services. At least that's how I read it. And yes, DeCourcy wrote on Nov. 11: "The NCAA told the family that Fenerbahce would have needed to pay for those expenses directly for them to be permissible."
I hope that's true, because it opens up a pretty good argument for equity and fairness. But don't ask me where it comes from or how it's consistent with this bylaw.
G, Good catch. I downloaded the 2009-2010 Division I Manual last night but haven't looked through it much.
I wonder if the Kanters should do the charity thing immediately, unilaterally. That kind of gesture might look pretty good to the Reinstatement Committee and reinforce the notion that they are serious about taking every step they can to support Enes' eligibility.
You guys are absolutely pathetic!! The guy is a pro and was paid like a pro. You seem to want all of that to go away so he can play ball at Kentucky. What's the matter? Is the team not up to par? After all, Cal did recruit them. WA WA Wa.....the three little pigs cried all the way home(WG, Marc and Nick)
hmm...i wouldve expected a 6-8 game suspension due to his case. Nothing malicious going on here- its just that over there, the youngsters get paid to play. its tricky to sort it all out, but to declare him ineligible just seems too harsh
G, Yea if was the Kanter's I would be donating 50k to a charity a.s.a.p. Honestly, Enes is either playing in Turkey for millions or in the NBA for millions next year anyway so they might as well go ahead and donate more than they received. I'm pretty sure they have the money anyway. Might make a good impression on the committee too. Right now I find it unlikely we are going to see Kanter playing for the cats this year though.
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Tipton Heads Up:
Almost 99% of players reinstated, but is Kanter an exception?
November 13th, 2010 | Uncategorized |
While pondering the appeal the University of Kentucky will make on behalf of freshman Enes Kanter, I stumbled upon an encouragement statistic that seems too good to be true.
The NCAA website includes a feature called “Behind the Blue Disk on student-athlete reinstatement. A look behind the blue disk included the factoid that the NCAA receives more than 1,000 reinstatement requests each year. Of those, nearly 99 percent of the requests result in the athlete being reinstated.
That would suggest that UK should expect Kanter’s eligibility to be restored. On Thursday, the NCAA announced that he would be permanently ineligible.
The problem for UK is that the Kanter case is complex, involving a foreign professionial team, two languages and who knows what other issues? Most of the 99 percent of reinstatements are for much smaller violations such as accepting a ride from a booster or having to pay back a $300 loan or a relatively small extra benefit (for example, a booster paying for dinner).
According to the NCAA announcement on Thursday, Kanter’s case involving $33,033 of compensation from the Turkish pro team that go beyond the permitted “actual and necessary” expenses a player can receive and retain amateur status.
Of course, it seems UK fans will know the outcome of the Kanter appeal by the first week of December. UK is hoping Kanter’s friendly and winning personality will persuade the reinstatement committee that his eligibilty should be restored."
Nice post WG.......
Thanks Marc
I have returned.
Good to have you back, G! Any residual impairment of hand function? Or just some nice scars?
eeky is still MIA. Hope it's because he's happily married.
Marc, I don't know where I got the idea that the $20,000 educational expense would have been permissible if Fenerbahçe Ülker had disbursed the funds directly to the educational provider. I'm pretty sure that's what DeCourcy wrote in Sporting News. And that's how it's been widely reported.
But if you read the bylaw carefully (Rule 12.1.2.1.3.1), it sure sounds like no professional sports team or organization may pay an education expense under any circumstance. And if that's the case, any optimism I had for an appeal has diminished appreciably.
What's the possibility of the Kanter family paying back the $33,033? would that allow Enes to become eligible?
ER Trip on Trick-or-Treat night results in 8 stitches and a $1700.00 Bill. There for 30 minutes to get patched up ... I'm in the wrong business.
No nerve damage but still sore. There will be a scar on my lower right palm, no big deal.
Yes, I have wondered about eeky. I haven't seen him post for ever so long.
On the appeal and the bylaw, fortunately the position of "I didn't know the rule" has been a successful defense in the past. However it is the NCAA ... you just never know.
WG, I think Matt Jones may have written it that way on KSR at some point. I too thought it permissible. What is the difference in that and the "Prep" basketball schools that pay tuition, room and board?
The way I see it the "spirit" of the rule is to allow young men and women an opportunity to attend an institution of higher learning if there was no intent to be a "professional". I feel it pretty apparent that there is enough evidence to make that case in appeals.
I also get the impression that this may have been the plan all along.
Oh yea, glad to hear your doing better G!
Anon,
From what I have heard, the Kanter family already tried to pay the extra money back to the club. However, since the Turkish team has, despite their comments, a lot to gain from Kanter being ruled ineligible, they refused to accept the money offered from the Kanters. Therefore, I believe somewhere near 20k of that $33 is literally sitting in a bank account unused.
Check on this one guys, when money is determined to be owed back .. and for whatever reason it cannot be directly returned to its original source ... the NCAA agrees to have the funds channeled to an charity in good standing.
If I remember correctly, that's what happened to John Wall's money last year.
Prep schools are not excluded by Rule 12.1.2.1.3.1. The parties excluded from providing this benefit are those that can peddle influence, such as agents, professional teams, recruiting universities and boosters. Thus:
"A prospective student-athlete may receive educational expenses or services (e.g., tuition, fees, room and board, books, tutoring, standardized test preparatory classes) prior to collegiate enrollment from any individual or entity other than an agent, professional sports team/organization, member institution or a representative of an institution’s athletics interests, provided the payment for such expenses or services is disbursed directly to the individual, organization or educational institution (e.g., high school, preparatory school) providing the educational expense or service."
You can tell this was drafted by a lawyer. Lawyers believe one long run-on sentence is better than several short and clear sentences. "Other than" means the Turkish club team, which is a professional team/organization, may not provide educational expenses or services. At least that's how I read it. And yes, DeCourcy wrote on Nov. 11: "The NCAA told the family that Fenerbahce would have needed to pay for those expenses directly for them to be permissible."
I hope that's true, because it opens up a pretty good argument for equity and fairness. But don't ask me where it comes from or how it's consistent with this bylaw.
G, Good catch. I downloaded the 2009-2010 Division I Manual last night but haven't looked through it much.
I wonder if the Kanters should do the charity thing immediately, unilaterally. That kind of gesture might look pretty good to the Reinstatement Committee and reinforce the notion that they are serious about taking every step they can to support Enes' eligibility.
You guys are absolutely pathetic!!
The guy is a pro and was paid like a pro. You seem to want all of that to go away so he can play ball at Kentucky. What's the matter? Is the team not up to par? After all, Cal did recruit them.
WA WA Wa.....the three little pigs cried all the way home(WG, Marc and Nick)
Marc,
Why don't you take the same advice you gave me regarding dealing with the NCAA after the Bledsoe ruling came in.
NCAA has ruled, so move on.
Hey Tony, I'll lay it to rest as soon as the appeal is dead.
hmm...i wouldve expected a 6-8 game suspension due to his case.
Nothing malicious going on here- its just that over there, the youngsters get paid to play.
its tricky to sort it all out, but to declare him ineligible just seems too harsh
G,
Yea if was the Kanter's I would be donating 50k to a charity a.s.a.p. Honestly, Enes is either playing in Turkey for millions or in the NBA for millions next year anyway so they might as well go ahead and donate more than they received. I'm pretty sure they have the money anyway. Might make a good impression on the committee too. Right now I find it unlikely we are going to see Kanter playing for the cats this year though.
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