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Wednesday, September 15, 2010
If the Alabama high school association deems Eric Bledsoe ineligible, then the NCAA finds itself in the tricky situation
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The teacher of the night class said the grade of c was wrong! The correct grade was an A. Everyone in the media wants to expect the worst.
Yeah and I will be ordained the Pope next Monday. If everything is on the up and up with the Alabama school board then why did they chose not cooperate with the NCAA? Why is the night school personell refusing to comment on something that has been mistated?
Their is definately something wron with the situation and that is pretty evident.
Obviously, the night class teacher gave him an A, so now reporters are looking for more dirt to dig for. The report has been delayed for a week, which means they cant find dirt.
Now to the other point, whoever leaked his transcript will get into a lot of trouble and I hope they do because that information is sensitive to anyone regardless. I guess Thamel aint going to quit trying. Also For one the NCAA cleared him twice after the first time was suspicious. I hope UK finds out who leaked this kids transcript and sues the living daylights outta them.
Marc, (here's a re-post for you so it won't get lost)
Keep me on the record for hoping Kanter gets cleared and nothing coming from this Bledsoe case.
Why?
Because I don't want UK fans or Cal (poor bench coach) to have any excuses for not winning the NC with yet another top class and superior talent. (I singled you out Marc because you like to keep score on these type of issues)
It's funny how everyone points to the Derrik Rose incident as precedent for this issue. What everyone fails to mention however, is the the ultimate circumstance that led to the wins being vacated at Memphis. The fact that Rose's brother (and possibly other family members) received improper travel benefits was the key issue in that case. While Rose's ACT score was a factor, it was not the only factor involved in his case, unlike Bledsoe. The real precedent, as pointed out in other stories on the web, is the Darrelle Aurthur case from Kansas.
It is funny that NCAA officials would come to UK's campus today too since they aren't even the ones looking into this whole Bledsoe situation, the AHSAA is... Unless the report was released to the NCAA prematurely, that strikes me as odd.
Agree with that last paragraph, but the primary factor in the Memphis penalty was ... wait for it ... the women's golf team. Which we need not get into. But after addressing all the problems with the women's golf team, the NCAA got around to discussing Rose's SAT score. The ETS invalidated his SAT score (not any of his three ACT scores) when it received no response to two letters sent to his Chicago home. Lack of cooperation, they said. Even though he wasn't home at the time! Anyway, without a valid test score, the NCAA found he wasn't eligible ab initio. So every game he played in had to be vacated. It wasn't us, the NCAA said, it was the ETS. We had no choice after they invalidated his score for want of cooperation.
The improper benefits matter was just icing on the cake. Rose's brother gave the university athletics office his credit card info, and they charged the credit card for most all the trips he took on the team plane and nights he stayed at the team's hotels. That was perfectly above board and proper procedure. But on several occasions, the athletics office failed to charge the credit card. A stupid administrative oversight, but nonetheless an improper benefit. Something that usually requires a limited penalty, such as we saw with Wall, who had to sit out a few games.
The Rose case is precedent for the proposition that the NCAA may declare a player retroactively ineligible in light of new information not available at the time of the initial eligibility determination. It's bad precedent (detrimental reliance, equitable estoppel, practical considerations), but it's precedent nonetheless.
"The teacher of the night class said the grade of c was wrong! The correct grade was an A. Everyone in the media wants to expect the worst."
Can anyone show me a link where the teacher stated the grade it should be an A. I read where he said the grade was wrong but I've never read where he said it was an A.
@WG, I'm not sure which scandal you mean about the UM woman's golf team, I presume the one involving the "illegal benefits" in the form of Christmas gifts. Maybe I'm wrong... I was trying to lend a little more insight to the difference between the Rose and Bledsoe scandals. My main point I was attempting to illustrate was that there were several other mitigating circumstances surrounding the NCAA's decision to vacate their season other than just Rose's SAT/ACT score. You are exactly right in that is is precedent for retroactive ineligibility and that may hold weight. However, the Darrell Arthur "scandal" is almost exactly like what Bledsoe is facing here; altered high school grades, cleared by the NCAA and seemingly unknowing university (ironically, the grades in question were math grades too). If that is not the superseding precedent in this case then I have lost all faith in the NCAA.
On a lighter note, looks like the NCAA was on campus today to tell Kanter he can practice with the team! Hopefully this is a preview of what's to come!
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The teacher of the night class said the grade of c was wrong! The correct grade was an A. Everyone in the media wants to expect the worst.
Yeah and I will be ordained the Pope next Monday. If everything is on the up and up with the Alabama school board then why did they chose not cooperate with the NCAA? Why is the night school personell refusing to comment on something that has been mistated?
Their is definately something wron with the situation and that is pretty evident.
Obviously, the night class teacher gave him an A, so now reporters are looking for more dirt to dig for. The report has been delayed for a week, which means they cant find dirt.
Now to the other point, whoever leaked his transcript will get into a lot of trouble and I hope they do because that information is sensitive to anyone regardless. I guess Thamel aint going to quit trying. Also For one the NCAA cleared him twice after the first time was suspicious. I hope UK finds out who leaked this kids transcript and sues the living daylights outta them.
Derrick Rose was cleared twice by the NCAA so what is your point?
let me see now......."sue the living daylights out of them"
The guy cheated and lied and you think he ought to sue someone for finding out?
Jeez, just how retarded are KY fans?
Marc, (here's a re-post for you so it won't get lost)
Keep me on the record for hoping Kanter gets cleared and nothing coming from this Bledsoe case.
Why?
Because I don't want UK fans or Cal (poor bench coach) to have any excuses for not winning the NC with yet another top class and superior talent. (I singled you out Marc because you like to keep score on these type of issues)
I have been told that NCAA representatives arrived tod on the University of Kentucky campus.
It's funny how everyone points to the Derrik Rose incident as precedent for this issue. What everyone fails to mention however, is the the ultimate circumstance that led to the wins being vacated at Memphis. The fact that Rose's brother (and possibly other family members) received improper travel benefits was the key issue in that case. While Rose's ACT score was a factor, it was not the only factor involved in his case, unlike Bledsoe. The real precedent, as pointed out in other stories on the web, is the Darrelle Aurthur case from Kansas.
It is funny that NCAA officials would come to UK's campus today too since they aren't even the ones looking into this whole Bledsoe situation, the AHSAA is... Unless the report was released to the NCAA prematurely, that strikes me as odd.
Agree with that last paragraph, but the primary factor in the Memphis penalty was ... wait for it ... the women's golf team. Which we need not get into. But after addressing all the problems with the women's golf team, the NCAA got around to discussing Rose's SAT score. The ETS invalidated his SAT score (not any of his three ACT scores) when it received no response to two letters sent to his Chicago home. Lack of cooperation, they said. Even though he wasn't home at the time! Anyway, without a valid test score, the NCAA found he wasn't eligible ab initio. So every game he played in had to be vacated. It wasn't us, the NCAA said, it was the ETS. We had no choice after they invalidated his score for want of cooperation.
The improper benefits matter was just icing on the cake. Rose's brother gave the university athletics office his credit card info, and they charged the credit card for most all the trips he took on the team plane and nights he stayed at the team's hotels. That was perfectly above board and proper procedure. But on several occasions, the athletics office failed to charge the credit card. A stupid administrative oversight, but nonetheless an improper benefit. Something that usually requires a limited penalty, such as we saw with Wall, who had to sit out a few games.
The Rose case is precedent for the proposition that the NCAA may declare a player retroactively ineligible in light of new information not available at the time of the initial eligibility determination. It's bad precedent (detrimental reliance, equitable estoppel, practical considerations), but it's precedent nonetheless.
"The teacher of the night class said the grade of c was wrong! The correct grade was an A. Everyone in the media wants to expect the worst."
Can anyone show me a link where the teacher stated the grade it should be an A. I read where he said the grade was wrong but I've never read where he said it was an A.
@WG,
I'm not sure which scandal you mean about the UM woman's golf team, I presume the one involving the "illegal benefits" in the form of Christmas gifts. Maybe I'm wrong... I was trying to lend a little more insight to the difference between the Rose and Bledsoe scandals. My main point I was attempting to illustrate was that there were several other mitigating circumstances surrounding the NCAA's decision to vacate their season other than just Rose's SAT/ACT score. You are exactly right in that is is precedent for retroactive ineligibility and that may hold weight. However, the Darrell Arthur "scandal" is almost exactly like what Bledsoe is facing here; altered high school grades, cleared by the NCAA and seemingly unknowing university (ironically, the grades in question were math grades too). If that is not the superseding precedent in this case then I have lost all faith in the NCAA.
On a lighter note, looks like the NCAA was on campus today to tell Kanter he can practice with the team! Hopefully this is a preview of what's to come!
"If that is not the superseding precedent in this case then I have lost all faith in the NCAA."
I honestly feel the NCAA is proven itself a joke, it's cherry picking of infractions to pursue and the Rose decision have pretty much done it for me.
well Tony congratulations, theres good news and bad....
good news: i notice you.
bad news:
except for me, you go unnoticed.
ponder that
Thanks eeky. I missed you too.
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